Hmmmm you just wrote a book on speaker setup? And your not good at math? Hmmm. So yes understand no money in free advise. Lol. Most of America have poor rooms and will never set up sound correctly. Hence big bucks on speakers? That person was asking about small room set up to which that would be almost hit or miss. I have never had a nice room except many years ago with a set of 801 s2, still the sound was amazing. Then it became my bedroom. Never again. Until now and it just happened with a set of legacy speakers, that magic came back. My newest room does not appear to be ideal but it is working.
simple common sense goes along way when setting up a good room audio experience, no need to spend money on a book for something that is fairly easy to understand.
Paul. I searched Amazon & your website for the book & CD. I find the stereo book but No Speaker guide. Please point me to the correct location. Thanks.
I had a similar room, and by experimentation, I found that the rule of third and golen ratio were less important to small rooms, esp. when bookself speakers were used. Walking around the room and speaking at the speaker’s posotion to find the most natural sounding spot may work better. I would start with a place where the tweeters can be 6 feet apart while setting 7 feet away from the speakers.
I just listened to The FR-30, excellent speakers. Sad they don’t disclose dispersion and response, but who does. I wish to see distortion vs SPL figures and dynamic compression. One thing I noticed is that the bass draws tons of power. The amplifier used had Wattage peak meters and yeah, you can demand 50wpc in no time and you want more loudness so definitely they want subwoofer power rating behind them.
Else, great job! I unfortunate they didn’t have more power behind them to push them further. But very satisfying loudness with 120wpc already, it’s just not unlimited power. They are as sensitive as a stand mount, very very large, and true full range. No need for subs, excellent bass speed. They do pack a punch, after all radiating surface is a bit over 15” woofers.
You people should see my master bedroom where a 5.4 Tannoy/Denon exists and it is so pleasing to have a home theatre setup available at my disposal when I feel like staying in bed and enjoy either the music or a movie 🍿🔊 rather than going to the living room for that reason. Way to put my audio visual equipment to good use after all 😉
The thing about having hardly any toe is it creates an incredibly narrow sound stage basically giving you only 1 single listening position that actually sounds good in the entire room. I’m sorry but in my lifetime of experimenting with speaker positioning and placement I have to say that nothing rings truer than Paul Klipsch’s approach which is corner loading whenever possible, toed at 45 degrees. 99 times out of 100 it always sounds the best. I’ve never ever heard a system set up the way this video is showing that didn’t sound like complete garbage unless you’re smack dab in the middle. This guy has a lot of knowledge and good information but this method of speaker setup couldn’t be further from good information. I’ve tried countless set up methods over the years and this is simply not a good way to do it
Just for the geometric record- and equilateral triangle has 3 equal sides. If you walk straight up and perpendicular, the same distance as the length of the base, from its center, (the way Paul did in the video), you haven’t really traced an equilateral triangle. I’m just being picky- It’s close enough for acoustical purposes, I’m sure.
After many many years, i finally get it. Speaker placement and what a different it makes. Plus side must be the thrilling of move those babies around. Discovering all kinds of new materiale from my huge music Collection. So yes, speaker placement is No. 1
✌️❤️🇩🇰
Paul… I’m not sure having viewed the website… does the CD / SACD actually come with the book, or one needs to purchase the book and SACD separately?
Additionally, I’ve found the rule of 3rds works great over-all, but what seems to give me the best place to start w/ initial placement of the speakers and results in a rock solid center image, excessively huge sound stage (breadth and depth) is :
speaker placement in my 154” rectangular room:
from side wall: room width * .276 (154" x .276) 42.5"
from rear wall: room width *.447 (154" x .447) 68.8"
My listening seat isn’t best right at the apex of the triangle due to peaks and nulls… rather about 9” back from the peak and about 7” to the right of it yields zero peaks / zero nulls – and an uncanny listening experience.
(My room is just about 12’8” wide, 10 Ft tall, and about 21 ft long.)
This has worked for me with both bookshelf monitors, stand mount monitors, and floor standing speakers as well.
You really don’t understand math. To get an equilateral triangle you should measure your 7′ between the speakers and then take a line 60° from the line between the speakers Where the lines cross makes up the equilateral triangle. And yes, those lines from the speakers should be 7′ too. Happy listening.
How do i make my homebuild 18 element 2000 hexagon sound good? Many audeofiles listening saying best speakers i’we ewer heard. Guess it is the way of getting the sound and the soul of human music out to the world for us all to enjoy. Music aint about quality but love to humaty. The feeling of love is not about math. Follow your hart follow your sence of what make you a real living human.
I’m contemplating moving my speakers from my living room to my bedroom because the reflections in my living room are god awful. Only thing is the rest of my family is on the opposite side of my bedroom wall😂
In addition, the smaller the room the greater the need for bass trapping.
Treat as much as possible, then bring back the MF and HF with diffusion/scattering.
Excessive LF decay times are the challenge… it destroys bass clarity and definition.
@4:00 "…and then a little bit of tow-in"
Paul, tow-in is speaker specific.
Every speaker has different tow-in amounts, for them to sound best. And, yes, there will be many speakers that have the same tow-in as other speakers.
But to state "…and then a little bit of tow-in", as if all speakers should match your FR30’s tow-in, is wrong.
Some speakers have zero tow-in.
Paul, you have to know this. No one should have to point this out to you.
most important factor is to make sure both speakers sequel to the listener and equal to each other and equal to any boundaries to eliminate prevent comb filtering what is the biggest problem, and make sure you have nothing in front of the listener to the speakers.
Outside of rants and promoting his book, the only advise is the equilateral triangle. Which most people looking at this stuff already know. Guy sucks not only at math but also explaining it looks like!
my set-up is in 10 x 11 ft room( it was a bedroom ) and rf7 III with amp tube sound very ( very ) good, thanks to your advises : acoustics panel ( absorbers in the back wall, difusers in the front wall, and a mix on the sides wall. And absorbers on the celling at first reflection point. very happy with that !!
I love your videos. Would it be too much to ask for whomever is putting up the videos to link to things like the book and equipment you refer to in the videos? It would make it much easier 😉
What’s the best way to set up speakers in a small room?
I think the sweet spot is just out side the equilateral triangle much like you described.
"Hey! Is my set-up good for my room? Big love!"
"Yooo, I have a book and CD tho. Also I now know the months! =D"
😂😂😂
Hmmmm you just wrote a book on speaker setup? And your not good at math? Hmmm. So yes understand no money in free advise. Lol. Most of America have poor rooms and will never set up sound correctly. Hence big bucks on speakers? That person was asking about small room set up to which that would be almost hit or miss. I have never had a nice room except many years ago with a set of 801 s2, still the sound was amazing. Then it became my bedroom. Never again. Until now and it just happened with a set of legacy speakers, that magic came back. My newest room does not appear to be ideal but it is working.
simple common sense goes along way when setting up a good room audio experience, no need to spend money on a book for something that is fairly easy to understand.
Paul. I searched Amazon & your website for the book & CD. I find the stereo book but No Speaker guide. Please point me to the correct location. Thanks.
His book and CD are really very good. I use over and over again every time I get a new piece of gear. It is invaluable.
I had a similar room, and by experimentation, I found that the rule of third and golen ratio were less important to small rooms, esp. when bookself speakers were used. Walking around the room and speaking at the speaker’s posotion to find the most natural sounding spot may work better. I would start with a place where the tweeters can be 6 feet apart while setting 7 feet away from the speakers.
I thought the measurments should be between the cone centers and not the outside of the boxes
At school I hated maths, even when I came top of the class (twice) in year 11. It was ridiculously HARD! 😂 And I’m not being ironic! 😮
I just listened to The FR-30, excellent speakers. Sad they don’t disclose dispersion and response, but who does. I wish to see distortion vs SPL figures and dynamic compression. One thing I noticed is that the bass draws tons of power. The amplifier used had Wattage peak meters and yeah, you can demand 50wpc in no time and you want more loudness so definitely they want subwoofer power rating behind them.
Else, great job! I unfortunate they didn’t have more power behind them to push them further. But very satisfying loudness with 120wpc already, it’s just not unlimited power. They are as sensitive as a stand mount, very very large, and true full range. No need for subs, excellent bass speed. They do pack a punch, after all radiating surface is a bit over 15” woofers.
Great work on those speakers! Cheers!
You people should see my master bedroom where a 5.4 Tannoy/Denon exists and it is so pleasing to have a home theatre setup available at my disposal when I feel like staying in bed and enjoy either the music or a movie 🍿🔊 rather than going to the living room for that reason. Way to put my audio visual equipment to good use after all 😉
The thing about having hardly any toe is it creates an incredibly narrow sound stage basically giving you only 1 single listening position that actually sounds good in the entire room. I’m sorry but in my lifetime of experimenting with speaker positioning and placement I have to say that nothing rings truer than Paul Klipsch’s approach which is corner loading whenever possible, toed at 45 degrees. 99 times out of 100 it always sounds the best. I’ve never ever heard a system set up the way this video is showing that didn’t sound like complete garbage unless you’re smack dab in the middle. This guy has a lot of knowledge and good information but this method of speaker setup couldn’t be further from good information. I’ve tried countless set up methods over the years and this is simply not a good way to do it
Super thanks .
I have no space for such big speakers 🙂 I’m thinking about Genelec…
Just for the geometric record- and equilateral triangle has 3 equal sides. If you walk straight up and perpendicular, the same distance as the length of the base, from its center, (the way Paul did in the video), you haven’t really traced an equilateral triangle. I’m just being picky- It’s close enough for acoustical purposes, I’m sure.
After many many years, i finally get it. Speaker placement and what a different it makes. Plus side must be the thrilling of move those babies around. Discovering all kinds of new materiale from my huge music Collection. So yes, speaker placement is No. 1
✌️❤️🇩🇰
So when will this new book be available? I can’t find it on Amazon. Does it come with new reference music or will it use the previous reference disc?
Same old nonsence
Paul… I’m not sure having viewed the website… does the CD / SACD actually come with the book, or one needs to purchase the book and SACD separately?
Additionally, I’ve found the rule of 3rds works great over-all, but what seems to give me the best place to start w/ initial placement of the speakers and results in a rock solid center image, excessively huge sound stage (breadth and depth) is :
speaker placement in my 154” rectangular room:
from side wall: room width * .276 (154" x .276) 42.5"
from rear wall: room width *.447 (154" x .447) 68.8"
My listening seat isn’t best right at the apex of the triangle due to peaks and nulls… rather about 9” back from the peak and about 7” to the right of it yields zero peaks / zero nulls – and an uncanny listening experience.
(My room is just about 12’8” wide, 10 Ft tall, and about 21 ft long.)
This has worked for me with both bookshelf monitors, stand mount monitors, and floor standing speakers as well.
Look at all the goofy nerds trying to dab on Paul’s triangle. Guess what, he’s filthy rich and you’re not.
You really don’t understand math. To get an equilateral triangle you should measure your 7′ between the speakers and then take a line 60° from the line between the speakers Where the lines cross makes up the equilateral triangle. And yes, those lines from the speakers should be 7′ too. Happy listening.
How do I get that book and CD . I do have audiophile guide the stereo but not the loudspeaker!
– Setting up speakers in a small room? …. – buy my book. 😂
Which book does he mean? I am only aware of The Audiophiles Guide: The Stereo.
I just watch because Paul’s videos are always really cool.
OMG they are still using feet as a measure :/
Other than that, great video as others.
The thumbnail is fabulous
How do i make my homebuild 18 element 2000 hexagon sound good? Many audeofiles listening saying best speakers i’we ewer heard. Guess it is the way of getting the sound and the soul of human music out to the world for us all to enjoy. Music aint about quality but love to humaty. The feeling of love is not about math. Follow your hart follow your sence of what make you a real living human.
I’m contemplating moving my speakers from my living room to my bedroom because the reflections in my living room are god awful. Only thing is the rest of my family is on the opposite side of my bedroom wall😂
Whut??? Californaaaiaah? LOL!!
I had a strict Dad too. He was a teacher. Strict Dads don’t get enough love!
Where’s this new Audiophile’s Guide book? I can’t find it.
In addition, the smaller the room the greater the need for bass trapping.
Treat as much as possible, then bring back the MF and HF with diffusion/scattering.
Excessive LF decay times are the challenge… it destroys bass clarity and definition.
@4:00 "…and then a little bit of tow-in"
Paul, tow-in is speaker specific.
Every speaker has different tow-in amounts, for them to sound best. And, yes, there will be many speakers that have the same tow-in as other speakers.
But to state "…and then a little bit of tow-in", as if all speakers should match your FR30’s tow-in, is wrong.
Some speakers have zero tow-in.
Paul, you have to know this. No one should have to point this out to you.
Would really be nice if you could include links to all your books and set up cd at the bottom
I still cant say the month’s and was bad at maths too 😅
I have almost the same room size, 14.5 *10 feet. Small rooms, small speakers. Thank you, Paul, for this instructive video!
That is not an equilateral triangle the way you describe it
most important factor is to make sure both speakers sequel to the listener and equal to each other and equal to any boundaries to eliminate prevent comb filtering what is the biggest problem, and make sure you have nothing in front of the listener to the speakers.
2:18 seems my speaker setup is done very well. That sounds real.
Outside of rants and promoting his book, the only advise is the equilateral triangle. Which most people looking at this stuff already know. Guy sucks not only at math but also explaining it looks like!
Paul, you walked off an Isosceles triangle, not an equilateral triangle.
A scalene triangle is the absolute worst of all in terms of dog-doo; and stepping in doggie-doo is the very definition of "bad toe-in".
That thumbnail looks kinda strange Paul. But it’s ok I’m open minded. To each his own. 😂😂😂
my set-up is in 10 x 11 ft room( it was a bedroom ) and rf7 III with amp tube sound very ( very ) good, thanks to your advises : acoustics panel ( absorbers in the back wall, difusers in the front wall, and a mix on the sides wall. And absorbers on the celling at first reflection point. very happy with that !!
Does your book cover setup for home theater systems? Keep up the great content!
Is it center to center of the speakers or edge to edge of the speakers. With Cornwall’s that can be the difference of feet.
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I guess you had this triangle wrong 🙂 It’s not The hight that should be equal to the width, but the sides.
I love your videos. Would it be too much to ask for whomever is putting up the videos to link to things like the book and equipment you refer to in the videos? It would make it much easier 😉